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SCP E205 Summer Series: Spatial Literacy and Understanding Data, with Jack Barton

Hi #smartcommunity friends! Welcome back to the Summer Series here on the Smart Community Podcast. As a reminder, we’re taking a little break from new content over The Australian summer holidays, and instead we are sharing the replays of a few of our all time favourite episodes. This week we’re sharing my interview with architect Jack Barton, from way back in Episode 83. This episode was right at the end of 2018, soon after we’d shifted from Smart City Podcast to the Smart Community podcast. 

Jack is the Outreach Manager at the GeoSpatial Research Innovation and Development Lab at the University of NSW and he is also running his private practice Jack Barton Digital Design (JBDD).

Jack and I have a great discussion about how his upbringing in a regional area, his interest in cities, and his love of digital technology all combined to spark his interest in the Smart space. We talk about why Smart Cities is a good buzz word, and the reasons connections and communication are important in Smart Communities. Jack shares his view on how Australia is embracing Smart concepts, and why long term vision is important, especially during this age of experimental pilot programs. We cover Smart City Standards and what they mean for people working in the space; the importance of digital and spatial literacy, and the need for more people to properly understand data so that they can use it effectively. We discuss how open data can facilitate better integration across disciplines, governments and industry, and finish our conversation on the emerging trends of boring and somewhat old-fashioned things like protocols, accountability, transparency, governance and longevity. 

We’ll be sure to get Jack back on the show in the future for a full update about what he’s been up to and also how our thinking has progressed since 2018. But in the meantime, we hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we enjoyed making it! As always, I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed making it.

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What we cover in this episode:

  • Jack’s background in architecture and his upbringing in regional NSW
  • What sparked his interest in the Smart space
  • Why buzz words can be useful and the reasons communication is important in the Smart community
  • How Australia is embracing the Smart City concept
  • The need for more long term vision instead of just short term experiments and pilot programs
  • Smart City Standards and why we need them
  • The importance of digital, spatial and data literacy 
  • How open data can facilitate integration and collaboration, and break down silos
  • The emerging trends of boring and somewhat old-fashioned things like protocols, accountability, transparency, governance and longevity


“You really need to have a good sense of ethics and not to use technology in a surreptitious kind of way that might be interpreted as surveillance or spying, it has to be something that empowers the communities, that makes places better and can help people work together as a community.”

“Digital technologies really are these pragmatic tools that can help us make life easier and make life better, and importantly can also look at the more disadvantaged areas of cities and communities and be able to address that. At least, sort of make it more visible and rally some energy around helping solve those wicked problems.”

“It’s very important to have evidence-based approaches to things where we’re sharing the objective data that’s scientifically rigorous and then using that to base the discussions on.”

“Experimentation is great, but I’ve seen a few initiatives come and go in my time and I think it does need to be designed with a more long term view and not so much tied to funding cycles. Ideally we want to be looking at the 10 – 100 year window into the future, especially with the challenges that we’re facing right now.”

“Smart Cities is a buzz word but it’s a good buzz word; it can corral people and align people and…it is a little package that can relay a lot of information.”

“[Open Data] is the sort of thing that does save lives. We need to have these systems in place [to share data] for when there are inevitable emergencies and disasters and things. There’s a good driving motivation for that beyond the dollar value of these initiatives.”

“Showing good examples, helping increase spatial literacy too, you can’t do it enough. Show people what mesh blocks are and how the ABS works and how you can read and write data. There’s still a fear of opening up data for fear of what might happen, for what you might expose yourself to. As soon as you can re-identify the data, it opens up a lot of opportunities that wouldn’t have been there before and haven’t been there historically because we’ve been hoarding data as silos.”

“You can define privacy as your ability to control your level of publicity, and so we’ve got to be aware [of that] in the way that we can keep what has to be secure, secure, because that is an issue that can have lives at stake, but then to be able to access the data rapidly and in an authorised way is another thing that we’re looking at…when you’ve got important things that could go wrong, you don’t want the data to be the weakest link.”

“Never before have we had this amazing, cumulative, digitised knowledge bank as a species so it really is in our hands to do something with it. It’s a good way to take us into the future, and there’s a lot of work in that for many people, a lot of stakeholders.”


Episode 83 with Jack Barton

The Semantic Web by Sir Tim Burners-Lee

Standards: ISO 37120 and ISO 37106


Find the full show notes at: www.mysmart.community 

Connect with Jack via Twitter @jbdd, on LinkedIn or visit the website jbdd.com

Connect with me via email: hello@mysmart.community 

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